>The Buggiest Software Ever :-(

>It’s so sad when a great promise turns out to be totally worthless. I’ve worked for almost 14 hours straight to try to get Antics3D to work. After over 40 crashes, and adrenaline flowing out of my ears, it’s pretty clear that I will never buy this software…

- Jonas

10 Responses to >The Buggiest Software Ever :-(

  1. Stephen

    >I keep looking at these but the lack of lighting pre-viz is the killer for me. That’s often as or more time consuming then blocking and I’ve yet to see one of these tools that addresses it.

  2. Jonas Hummelstrand

    >Antics3D does lights, but there are no shadows at all.

  3. BJ

    >I’m baffled that you would have such problems with installation.

    I was even at a local User Group meeting here in Los Angeles, and not one person was complaining about crashes or major bugs.

    Of course we users were on [Antics 3D] V2/Windows XP, but the support engineer from the company was running V2.5 on Vista.

    What were your running during your 14 hours in hell?

  4. Jonas Hummelstrand

    >bj,

    It wasn’t installation that was problematic, it was running Antics 2.5. I’ve used the trial on a Dell machine before, but this time I was on a Mac Pro booted to XP via Bootcamp.

    I had freezes, crashes, intermittent lack of GUI response for 30 seconds, rendering to video that often rendered another framing than my viewport, and other problems. It was very hard to pinpoint exactly what operations caused crashes, everything was extremely unstable.

    I was planning on using it to animate a crowd of 200 people waling in from the sides and standing together in a group. I finally got a couple of renderings of 19 people walking in and standing idly. I then had to do an ugly fake 3D composite in After Effects.

    I’m so disappointed, because we were considering using the program not for previz, but for quick animations for news broadcasts where the ability to quickly build a simple set and then to populate it with point-and-click characters would have been perfect.

  5. BJ

    >Jonas,

    I suspect then that you are using an ATI graphics card in your Mac Pro.

    ATI are famous for currently having good OS X drivers and terrible Windows drivers.

    So unless you have a good nVidia card with (good OS X drivers…) handy, you’d have to contact their European User’s Group or their European Support Group. I’ve only used their U.S. support in Los Angeles, but they are 100% outstanding and beyond helpful.

    I’m thinking they could find somebody with the same configuration that you have who has found a workaround.

    Other alternatives include running FrameForge under OS X, but the output from that program doesn’t look nearly as nice and it has only tweening between frames instead of real movement. It is also far more limited in other areas.

  6. BJ

    >At the User’s Group Meeting in Los Angeles last month, we saw “quick animations for news broadcasts” produced by a Canadian TV station using Antics to visualize the bank robbery of the day, and a planned light rail project. If you need access to these to get project funding from SR or whoever it is nowadays in Sweden, Antics may be able to FTP or e-mail you these as .mov files.

    I take it this kind of visualization was somewhat like what you had in mind also.

    If so, it seems worth a couple of e-mails/phone calls, etc. per my previous post.

    Because Bootcamp is even mentioned on Antics’ website, I can’t imagine that the Ultimate Armageddon Plan is even needed: $500 to buy a peecee to run it on (of course hiding the box under your desk and using a KVM switch).

  7. Jonas Hummelstrand

    >Well, actually I’ve got an Nvidia 7300 card in the Mac Pro. Bootcamp is mostly just a way to boot into XP, so if Antics is so sensitive, I’m hesitant to use it in day-to-day productions on a deadline.

  8. BJ

    >The Nvidia 7300 card (like all current Nvidia cards) has great Windows drivers, so that concern can can be set aside, at least if other OpenGL apps work OK with it. (You could reload the latest driver from nvidia’s site, looks like this is the one: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/winxp_2k_93.71_uk.html)

    Antics has seemed extremely robust to me. I’m only one vote, but to be at a User’s Group Meeting (the first one in L.A.) where about 40 serious users from Hollywood studios, broadcasters, film schools
    were giving feedback, not one was complaining about lack of robustness. That really says something.

    The Nvidia 7300 card (like all current Nvidia cards) has great Windows drivers, so that concern can can be set aside, at least if other OpenGL apps work OK with it. (You could reload the latest driver from nvidia’s site, looks like this is the one: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/winxp_2k_93.71_uk.html)

    Antics has seemed extremely robust to me. I’m only one vote, but to be at a User’s Group Meeting (the first one in L.A.) where about 40 serious users from Hollywood studios, broadcasters, film schools
    were giving feedback, noone was complaining about lack of robustness. That really says something.

    For what you want to do, Antic’s interface to Google Earth should be of good use also. You can see this also at http://production.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=123846
    together with a number of other things that may be of interest. I have used the other pre-viz packages available but given up.

    Antics is my final choice, and I have found it to be both robust, extremely versatile, and pleasant to work with.

  9. Anonymous

    >We (the Antics Team) noticed this thread and were naturally concerned to find that anyone thought Antics software was buggy. This is not the feedback we have been receiving from our users – quite the reverse in fact. I would like to thank BJ for his comments in our defence. If anyone is having problems with any aspect of Antics, please do not hesitate to contact our support department at support@antics3d.com where will be very pleased to help anyone with Antics based issues.

    Antics 3d Team

  10. Anonymous

    >I’ve been using Antics for over 8months now, I have found it to been quite stable. It does have an unorthodox work flow.Check out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-3upUXY_iA

    for a sample.

    Ammo Ant.